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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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706 for the 17th of april 2022

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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what time is it my goodness me it's

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just after 5am

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way the rotation of the earth and no

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because i'm up early because i live not

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far from the flight path or a flight

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path and sometimes the aircraft go

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directly over the house i'm also up

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early to beat the early birds

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who are looking for the early worms

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because at a certain time

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soon

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lots of birds start waking up and making

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lots of noise so i'm beating all of that

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today

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to bring you the skeptic zone the only

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thing i'm not beating are the early cats

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the skeptic's own cats they know i'm

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awake they're outside the studio door

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thinking it's breakfast time

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soon you two soon

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what's coming up on this week's show

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we're going to start with an interview

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with an old friend of mine brian dunning

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from skeptoid skeptoid media of course

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the people who make the famous skeptoid

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podcast brian has been working on a

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documentary for many years and i have

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been interviewing him about this

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documentary over the last few years

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hoping that it would come out

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and at long last it has science friction

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is the name of the documentary you can

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watch that on prime video

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prime plus i think it's called anyway

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the prime

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tubey t-u-b-i but more details about

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that coming up in the show or you can

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just check out the show links at

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skepticzone.tv anyway kicking off

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today's show is my old friend from bend

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oregon brian dunning i notice it's been

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snowing lately in bend oregon oh i'd

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like to be there to see that

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following that i catch up with maynard

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at maynard's international studios

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annex here in sydney maynard was in

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sydney i dropped by to say hello

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and it just turned into some sort of

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bizarre maynard recording session where

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we talk about everything and nothing a

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peep into maynard's world

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coming up a bit later on in the show

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then we have another installment of the

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book of tim with tim bendum and this

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week it's a uh

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a part one it's part one of a two-parter

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about uh the body body dysphoria

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phantom limbs all that sort of thing an

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interesting sort of report by professor

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michelle acosta and of course this is

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from the pages of the skeptic magazine

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then to round off the show another trip

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into trove the trove archives well this

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to canada i hope you're listening adrian

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now a slight correction from last week's

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the fact that rob palmer my friend rob

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palmer and i appeared on an atheist

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podcast to talk about the great

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australian prediction project and i

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we've got the name of the podcast wrong

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it's the thinking atheist at the

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thinkingatheist.com

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is where i and rob palmer appeared

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great australian psychic prediction

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project and that episode appeared on the

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are still wearing masks which is a very

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people are still getting covered

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thousands of people every day in this

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people are still getting covered every

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pandemic is not over and if you

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listening to this right now

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all of us at the skeptic zone hope that

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it's brief

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it's hard to give advice

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it's somewhat of a comfort to know that

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listeners to the skeptic zone at least

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would of course be up to date on their

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vaccinations which can only help

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if you're under the weather we've

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i'm thinking of you but now it's time

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for me to run downstairs because there

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are two cats outside the door insisting

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on breakfast what will it be this

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morning i think they're going to get

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while i attend to all that i hope you

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and joining me now all the way from

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beautiful bend

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in oregon i can vouch for that folks

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it's a beautiful place it's the host and

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producer of skeptoid the skeptoid

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podcast brian dunning hello brian hey

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richard thanks for having me hey anytime

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i know we haven't seen each other for

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quite a while because of the pandemic

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and that's no surprise but when i did

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see you some years ago i remember we

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once went in a lava tube and we were

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examining and exploring that and just

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having a good time and we were

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discussing that yes if you ever get to

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oregon go into allow but you just do it

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documentary you were working on called

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science friction now it's no secret

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you've been working on this documentary

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the way but i think i think at last you

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have some good news for our listeners

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see science friction now folks if you're

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you'll be directed to the prime

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notes and you'll find the link to to be

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documentary last night i had the

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finished science friction now for our

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as talking head experts and get

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uh or misquoted or they just they edit

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about dr oz because our good friend and

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whole skeptic scene whatever

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that these tv shows are promoting bad

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so what we're trying to do with this is

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show them in a fairly dramatic way look

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this tv show is not only making stuff up

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to to fool you to deceive you they're

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doing it in a really underhanded and

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deceptive way

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great way to bring an important issue to

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the public's attention and

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these uh these kind of practices but uh

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that might be pie in the sky for now oh

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we like to think a lot of things brian

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happen because of skeptical activism

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um and uh it was really it really was

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2016 was actually when

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and this was just after we finished

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production on my previous film

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principles of curiosity

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which was directed by my friend ryan c

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johnson

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and uh so once we got done with the uh

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the uh

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you know the the part that i had to be

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really busy on the production part of

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that then then i started

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uh

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science friction and um i got to emory

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emory

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a name known to some of your listeners

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maybe

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uh he's a he's a director and a comedian

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as well he directs a lot of the things

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on pin and tellers fool us shows those

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little um the biographies of the

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magicians at the beginning of the show

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he was the editor on the aristocat the

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aristocrats

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not aristocats uh and uh and he's he's

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he's kind of an old pro at this sort of

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interview style

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kind of raw edited

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it was it was just the kind of vibe that

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i wanted um on this film and he and i

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have been friends for a long time and so

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just kind of a natural choice so we set

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about uh i opened up fundraising um this

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is this is a this is a skeptoid media

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project skeptoid media is of course the

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the non-profit that

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i work for making the skeptoid podcast

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and the other people in the company

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and so as an educational nonprofit we

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can

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fundraise and get the project funded by

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grants and donations and uh we were we

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were under budget um and so what that

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meant is we couldn't do what i would

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normally do and what we did with

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principles of curiosity which is to hire

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a full film crew go out and make the

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movie beginning to end and it's done

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so with this being so far under budget

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we had to

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uh

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we had our crew but we had to have a

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very small crew and

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they had to take time to work on better

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paying jobs because we couldn't pay them

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a full market rate which is extremely

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frustrating for me as a producer

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to not be able to pay people everything

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that they're worth

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um but uh they were they were sports

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about it we got the film done it just

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took a lot longer in production and then

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covet hit

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and then we had

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we had various other roadblocks i don't

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know if we wanted to talk about those or

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not but yeah well

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let's mention those briefly because we

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did cover this last time you're on the

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show okay and you were talking about

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some of the delays in the project

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basically one of the things that came up

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as you were saying

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was as you were making it or towards the

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end of

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making it it occurred to you that

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certain

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film networks tv networks

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so one would not be happy at all

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at what was being exposed yeah and it

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wasn't so much my concern that networks

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wouldn't be happy about it i don't mind

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i don't care if they're happy with the

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film or not

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but uh they're part of a whole ecosystem

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that runs an industry and part of that

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is distributors and insurers

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and

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kind of everyone has to be on board with

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a project uh including an industry law

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firm

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including an industry insuring insurance

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company

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and you've got to have all of that

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together before you can go into

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distribution and

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since

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our film science friction

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has

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oh uncomplimentary things to to point

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out that have happened at virtually

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every network and movie studio in town

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first we couldn't find a law firm that

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had no conflicts of interest

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and then we couldn't get insurance from

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an industry law firm

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and very long story short it took

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that whole part of the process tacked

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probably two two and a half years

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onto the the end of the post-production

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so at long long last

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a lot of money a lot of spirit a lot of

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energy

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a lot of

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feeling horrible about not being able to

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get this movie out that so many people

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had invested so much in

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um i'm very gratified to finally have it

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out and finally have it available for

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everyone to watch and enjoy

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well it's frightening in a way because

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as consumers when you're watching a

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science documentary and you see a

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scientist and they come out and they put

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forward their point of view or they

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state their case based on what you

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assume

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they really believe

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based upon all the research

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and then well as you point out

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um you can't always trust what you see

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uh yeah i mean you know we we do we do

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mention that this doesn't necessarily

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happen most of the time i mean it's

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relatively rare

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but

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that's actually part of the problem when

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something is consistently bad

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people can can simply distrust it and

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dismiss it but when it's got

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when it's got bs sprinkled in along with

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good information

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then people have no way to know which is

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which and so it can arguably be even

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more dangerous to have misinformation

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that's inconsistently applied

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science friction has only been

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released to

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to the world for uh

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less than a week is that right yeah just

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over the weekend i think is when i first

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saw it uh popping up on uh on amazon

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prime have you had any

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feedback yet yes i've seen a tremendous

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amount of positive feedback good a lot

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of people saying things like hey you

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know every student should be required to

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watch this

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that's that's exactly what we're going

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for that's what i care about yeah i

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think that's wonderful i mean i saw the

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rough cuts over the years as you were

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putting it together and

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some early edits that weren't quite

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complete and things like that

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and

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documentary with more bits

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that i hadn't seen and it was a lot

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tighter of course being the final edit

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so the clue is folks the message run to

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skepticzone.tv click those links if

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you're in north america you can watch it

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on amazon prime

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i guess and if

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you're in australia you can certainly

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watch it on the 2b app or qb system but

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i imagine soon it'll be available all

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around the world

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ah brian i'll have to come back to

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oregon soon hopefully this year

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and um

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you know what i think last time i was

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visiting your place i think i dropped

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twenty dollars down behind the sofa

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did you ever find that

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uh i know i've never never seen that

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twenty dollars

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it it didn't make it to any of the local

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brew pubs

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i'll have to come back and check for

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myself but for now

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brian dunning from

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skeptoid media and the skeptoid podcast

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of course a wonderful podcast thank you

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very much

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thank you

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i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

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the rabbit hole i have extended

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conversations with people who've been

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involved in conspiracy culture i do this

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for a couple of reasons firstly because

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it's really interesting these people

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have great stories about how they fell

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down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

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what they did down there and what it was

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that helped them out sometimes i also

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talk to people who investigate

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conspiracy theories and they have

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equally fascinating stories from the

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other side secondly i want to understand

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how best to prevent the spread of

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conspiracy theorists and misinformation

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which is an increasing problem in a time

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when alternative media is exploding the

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best way to do this is to communicate

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effectively with the people involved and

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the best way to do that is with a nice

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long chat

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check it out tales from the rabbit hole

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tftrh.com

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here's maynard's spooky action

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hello valued listener it's maynard here

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just butting into this episode here with

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mr bloody watsy's name because he's here

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i'm mr watson maynard here i am i'm back

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at the uh maynard international studios

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annex here in sydney that's correct we

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do have a leaf blower going outside but

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but that's by my request do you are you

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the guy who requested aeroplanes and

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leaf blowers come to my studios every

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time i try to record cost me a fortune

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but believe in me value listener it's

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00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,919
worth it look i'm just here to remind

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you that richard is a bit too polite the

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way he likes to mention that you should

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00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,919
support the skeptic zone it's been going

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00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,760
now for over 300 years a long time

520
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:43,840
before the invention of podcasting and

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look get on to his patreon and just just

522
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,039
give a little bit as a one-off if you

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want to or just become a regular

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00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,640
subscriber for a small amount each month

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and help the whole thing go because

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without you there'll be nothing it'll

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sound like this

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it'll be just a leaf blower

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with with no science whatsoever and it's

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good you're covering body just uh just

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dysphoria this week body dysphoria

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because i i have body dysphoria fairly

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in a major way when i look at myself in

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the mirror i think i look just fine

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and from what i gather what my my image

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of what i'm seeing does not match with

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reality one of those magic mirrors now

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00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,360
yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah it makes it

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look just great there so that that's my

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own personal dysphoria i wish to not

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speak about anyone else's

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you make a good point of course and as i

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say at the end of every episode it's

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only because of the listeners who

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00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,120
support the show that there is a show

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that's it that's it i mean i love doing

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the show you you contribute you love

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00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,600
doing your parts and my reporters but

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without the financial help of uh

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listeners no show no show

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or as i like more bluntly to put it you

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can't expect something to be there next

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week if you don't support it this week

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good good point well made mayonnaise and

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we're looking

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listen dear listener we are looking at

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the next generation of audio equipment

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that you and i might might be purchasing

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before long

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yes well currently i'm using one that

561
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,760
has a microphone and it's great records

562
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,760
to a microphone not so much good for if

563
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,840
you want to do line out from mixing

564
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,400
desks and things like that so i'm hoping

565
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,679
to get something like that in the near

566
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,200
future but you know i'm going to save up

567
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,360
my pennies and richards wants you to

568
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,960
save up your pennies and we just want

569
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,039
you to buy it for him just contribute a

570
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,000
bit chip in as they say ship him and

571
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,679
we've been he's brought over a book here

572
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,640
that i've got to study um why should i

573
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,600
mention it i'll keep it secret

574
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,760
absolutely now maynard um in a couple of

575
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,600
weeks you're going to be interviewing

576
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,200
an author down in melbourne by the name

577
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,280
of george ivanov if that's his real name

578
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,799
if that's his real name he's written a

579
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,360
book called the supernatural survival

580
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,080
guide and it seems to be um

581
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,760
directed more at younger people but it's

582
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,480
all about ufos and bigfoots and monsters

583
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,000
and all sorts of things

584
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,320
it reminds me of one of those books that

585
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,720
time life used to put out in the 70s

586
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,720
about you know curses or they'd put it

587
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,679
out about mysteries or or cryptids and

588
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,159
it covers all that and it's in sort of a

589
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,240
almost of an a4 format it's quite nice

590
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,840
and it's bright green

591
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,159
yes bright green because also we know

592
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,120
goo is green and scary stuff is green

593
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,720
and you know something's dramatic as

594
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,080
anyone who's ever watched the x-files

595
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,080
would know because there's blue lighting

596
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,480
um it any duran duran film clip with

597
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blue lighting in it means there's drama

598
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:24,559
involved and anything involving

599
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,230
with blue lighting means oh there's

600
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,840
problems and also whenever you watch the

601
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,520
x-files they had torches particularly in

602
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,120
the first season

603
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,280
very heavy torches because that was a

604
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,840
pre-led i think and the batteries are

605
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,919
very heavy so i remember yes hearing

606
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,360
that they were quite heavy those torches

607
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,200
back of the book says have you ever had

608
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,120
a close encounter with the ufo is your

609
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,919
house haunted have you seen a yeti

610
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,840
don't worry the supernatural survival

611
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,760
guide has all the info you need to

612
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,080
survive a brush with the spooky so

613
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,360
that's very interesting and speaking

614
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,320
about

615
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,159
mulder and scully and scully and mulder

616
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,679
and all those sort of people and i

617
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,039
mentioned this in my facebook page the

618
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,200
other day there's a series of ad

619
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,799
advertisements here in australia for an

620
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,440
insurance company and the main character

621
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,760
is a paranormal investigator

622
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,320
who does origami look i kid you not i

623
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,000
look they're obviously they've based the

624
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,600
entire series of commercials on your

625
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,600
life richard so i think so it was just

626
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,440
pretty sad with the hero

627
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,720
and i haven't really gone for much of a

628
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,880
david duchovny look with the guy either

629
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,000
and he doesn't look a thing like me

630
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,520
anyway no it doesn't look either like it

631
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,880
doesn't look anything like me he's got

632
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,559
that little bit of a gum shoe look but

633
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,640
up yeah he's that face where i've seen

634
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,559
that guy in something and those are the

635
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,640
people particularly in a small industry

636
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,400
like australia

637
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,080
i've seen that guy in something those

638
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,400
are the people that get ads because the

639
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,000
at the interview they'll be going oh

640
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,520
we've seen that guy in something let's

641
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,039
put him in an ad because we can't

642
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,559
actually name him to something but we

643
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,039
recognize his face i think they've

644
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,960
based the character on the classic sort

645
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:55,120
of detective look you remember the night

646
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,640
stalker series oh yeah that with the hat

647
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,640
and the in the trench coat sort of look

648
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,720
and the out in the dark looking at

649
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,480
things so that's very interesting

650
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,520
of course you'll be looking at the

651
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,080
fantastic work of that darren mcgavin

652
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,520
there not to be confused with the guy

653
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,600
who plays the captain of the love boat

654
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,200
that's right and that series was like

655
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,360
mid 70s i think that's right yes you had

656
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:17,520
kolchak the night stalker that's it

657
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,600
only 20 episodes made 74 and 75 but uh

658
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,039
darren gavin was in a whole heap of

659
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,400
stuff we were just looking here and he

660
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,039
was look he was in the man from uncle

661
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,600
and the night stalker and he did

662
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:31,679
actually guest on an episode two

663
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,360
episodes of the love boat in 1980 so oh

664
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,360
and he wasn't magnum p.i could he have

665
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,679
been in any more cool shows well he was

666
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,159
in the return of marcus welby which i

667
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,320
didn't even know existed

668
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,600
and um

669
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,120
yep murphy brown

670
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,200
yep wow there you go so that's darren

671
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,520
mcgavin so be like darren mcgavin and

672
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,520
donate to the skeptics be like him and

673
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,960
don't well it's the sort of look the

674
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,480
classic look they've gone through in

675
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,559
this habit as if all us paranormal

676
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,400
investigators wear these hats and you

677
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,840
know go out and

678
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,520
maybe we do i don't know

679
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,159
now there is the the ex-police detective

680
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,240
who is the paranormal investigator that

681
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,960
we met at the brisbane skepticon intense

682
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,600
conversation no nickel joe nickel

683
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,279
ver very intense conversation with joe

684
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,919
nicholas about the partial palm print of

685
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,080
neil harvey

686
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,400
on the yeah on the rifle guys if people

687
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,559
if you go to skepticzone.tv click the

688
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,039
episode link the next page you come to

689
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,440
will give you a search box and you can

690
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,279
search for joe nichol and hear that very

691
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,919
interview it's a great interview he he

692
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,679
he really took me to school that day let

693
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,200
me tell you he gave me a big glass of

694
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,919
shut up juice and described the perfect

695
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,720
mint julep and where and how the best

696
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,360
place to drink it is you did you did it

697
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,039
rings a bell but after 700 plus episodes

698
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,919
it's hard to remember isolated bits you

699
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,600
know look and speaking of isolated we

700
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,799
are looking forward to getting out and

701
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,559
doing more interviews in the field we're

702
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,200
just waiting for it to be just a bit i'm

703
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,520
i'm what do they say i'm i'm covert

704
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,720
hesitant

705
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,480
as as as they call me in the medical

706
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,400
world they're covert hesitant to get out

707
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,600
there among people and i'm doing a

708
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,200
little bit of things here and there i've

709
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,039
got a gig coming up at the 30th april at

710
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,880
the botany view hotel doing an 80s gig

711
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,720
there at the electric dreams botany view

712
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:19,039
hotel 30th of april that's going to be

713
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,240
probably the only gig i've done this

714
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,840
year and who knows when the next one's

715
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,480
going to be because you know i you know

716
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,840
i'm not playing well with other people

717
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,080
like i said covert hesitant

718
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,600
now people want to find out more they

719
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:32,000
can go to maynard.com.u

720
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,440
yes we've been doing other stuff you've

721
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,919
been helping me out with but i will be

722
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,080
back soon on the skeptic zone doing

723
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,600
something when you least expect it like

724
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,440
now right now gotta go i've got i've

725
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,600
gotta kick the guy who's doing the the

726
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,760
uh the leaf blowing in i've always moved

727
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,360
from one side of your studio to the

728
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,039
other he's up that's right yeah i don't

729
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,400
know what's going on was that a vacuum

730
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,320
cleaner look and i've got to pull a bit

731
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,919
of a dick van dyke run after him kick

732
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,720
him in the shins and run away

733
00:27:15,510 --> 00:26:59,120
oh oh bamboo the old bamboo hit him with

734
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,669
hello this is maynard did you know that

735
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,360
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

736
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:22,799
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

737
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,909
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

738
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,240
with michelle bigesma and funny sketches

739
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,760
with richard saunders and a host of

740
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:38,710
just click on the youtube links on the

741
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:54,070
[Music]

742
00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:55,430
and now

743
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,580
a reading from the book of tim

744
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,320
[Music]

745
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:01,440
with tim menden

746
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:09,200
[Music]

747
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,240
hi

748
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,399
my name's tim menden i'm the executive

749
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,720
officer of australian skeptics inc and

750
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:17,120
editor of our quarterly journal

751
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:18,559
the skeptic

752
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,760
skeptics.com.edu

753
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,080
[Music]

754
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,840
today i'll be talking in the first of a

755
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,520
two-part article

756
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,600
called out of body out of mind which is

757
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,320
written by marcelo costa and looking at

758
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,919
how the mind creates many of our

759
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:34,960
mysteries

760
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,320
especially regarding parts of our body

761
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,080
this appeared in the march 2010

762
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,279
issue of the magazine which is volume

763
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,520
30 number one and as i said you can

764
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,000
download that issue for free from our

765
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:51,279
website

766
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,750
[Music]

767
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,320
and marcelo says how wonderful it is to

768
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,480
be able to move my fingers whenever i

769
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,200
want to feel that the fingers are mine

770
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:07,600
and that while i'm writing this article

771
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,960
all of my body appears to follow my will

772
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,039
i look at the world from inside me i'm

773
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,679
aware of where i am in space i easily

774
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,320
recognize peoples and places i can speak

775
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,640
to myself without uttering words

776
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,880
but i can distinguish clearly this inner

777
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:24,320
speech from that of other people

778
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,360
speaking

779
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,000
this is a remarkable and powerful deep

780
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,880
feeling of being a single self able to

781
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,840
reflect on who i am

782
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,360
there are moments when we may have

783
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,600
uncanny illusions of being somewhere

784
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,840
else or having already seen something

785
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,159
that we experience for the first time

786
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,399
or making a gesture we do not really

787
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,840
intend

788
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,679
extraordinary experiences of this kind

789
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,840
are more common than realize

790
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,000
they can occur in normal people or are

791
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,640
revealed dramatically in some abnormal

792
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,760
conditions

793
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,200
these illusions

794
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:59,120
are a window on the way in which the

795
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,320
brain works

796
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,640
and neuroscience is beginning to explain

797
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,960
their neural basis

798
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,279
when a blindfolded participant

799
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,440
taps the nose of another person while

800
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,360
somebody else taps the blindfolded

801
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,320
person's nose in synchrony the blinded

802
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,760
subject feels its nose growing this is

803
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,440
known as the pinocchio illusion from the

804
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:21,200
famous children's story by the italian

805
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,480
author kalodi

806
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,960
of the wooden living puppet pinocchio

807
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,320
with his nose growing as he tells lies

808
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,240
the simple test reveals that perception

809
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,720
of our own body can be altered with no

810
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,880
obvious physical change

811
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,440
conversely a limb may have been

812
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,320
amputated but the subject still feels

813
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,760
it has been there

814
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,080
this phantom limb illusion is due to the

815
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:46,000
normal voluntary motor signals from the

816
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:46,880
brain

817
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,039
replacing the signals that normally

818
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,240
would have come from the intact limb

819
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,799
our own body image can be felt to detach

820
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,960
from the physical body and take on a

821
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,880
phantom existence

822
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,360
the subjective image of our body emerges

823
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,440
from the convergence of multiple senses

824
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,600
the visual system the balance system and

825
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
the sense of body position and movements

826
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,080
in a particular part of the brain near

827
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,000
the angular gyrus

828
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,600
this strongly suggests that the brain

829
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,919
continuously checks and compares the

830
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,080
sensory signals from the body with the

831
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,320
motor signals building a strong sense of

832
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,080
embodiment

833
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,640
i.e of a self-localized

834
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,440
within one's bodily borders as if the

835
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,360
body fits like a glove

836
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,120
on the other hand the concept of

837
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,600
disembodiment is used to describe

838
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,679
situations in which people feel they

839
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,600
have an abnormal body

840
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,519
this may lead to abnormal behavior

841
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,519
including an overwhelming desire to

842
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,960
amputate

843
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,279
one or more healthy limbs or other parts

844
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,880
of the body

845
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,039
it's called body integrity identity

846
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,399
disorder also known as amputee identity

847
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,399
disorder

848
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,880
disturbances of body image may well be

849
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:01,440
responsible for numerous and diverse

850
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,720
problems of many adolescents and adults

851
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,159
the most extreme experience of

852
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,840
disembodiment is the out-of-body

853
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
experience

854
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,799
some individuals report feelings of

855
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,960
being outside their own body hovering

856
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,480
above it and seeing themselves from

857
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,600
above

858
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,519
these experiences are often associated

859
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,320
with near-death experiences or a variety

860
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,960
of neurological disorders

861
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,440
such bizarre outer body experiences can

862
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,080
be elicited by electrical stimulation of

863
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,919
an area in the lateral parts of the

864
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,960
cortex

865
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,200
the angular gyrus

866
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,360
in patients evaluated for epilepsy

867
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,480
surgery

868
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,320
this strongly suggests this kind of

869
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,880
anomalous experience may be due to

870
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,600
malfunctioning of the normal embodiment

871
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,720
process

872
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,480
some patients usually

873
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,200
left side hemiplegics who have suffered

874
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,039
from a stroke will experience a

875
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,960
disassociation

876
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,120
from their paralyzed limbs

877
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,360
for example some may be convinced that

878
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,279
their paralyzed leg is

879
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,799
not really theirs but belongs to a

880
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,240
stranger

881
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,240
they will maintain that their real leg

882
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,320
has disappeared and will even attempt to

883
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,760
kick their own leg

884
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,279
out of bed

885
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
the abnormal feeling is often due to

886
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,440
lesions on the right side of the

887
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,919
parietal cortex

888
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,840
recently neuroscientists used a simple

889
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,240
method for inducing feelings of outer

890
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720
body experience in healthy volunteers

891
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,880
two teams of cognitive neuroscientists

892
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,519
use head-mounted video displays to give

893
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,600
people a different perspective on their

894
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,799
own bodies

895
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,880
each team also drew upon the sense of

896
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,440
touch to enhance the illusion

897
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,039
people in both experiments reported

898
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,960
feelings of dissociation from their

899
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,399
bodies

900
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,240
one researcher referring to his own

901
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,240
experience after the experiments said

902
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,679
that he really felt that he was sitting

903
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,679
in a different place in the room and was

904
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,519
looking at this thing in front of him

905
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,200
that looks like himself

906
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,360
and he knew was himself but it didn't

907
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,039
feel like himself

908
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,640
these experiments highlight the

909
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,120
potential of modifying deep personal

910
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,440
experiences by virtual realities which

911
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,039
of course has now been taken up in games

912
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,960
and all sorts of areas like that since

913
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,640
this article was written it's a very

914
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,560
real experience for a lot of people

915
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,480
even the mysterious and odd feeling of a

916
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,000
mysterious presence felt by some

917
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,480
individuals next to or behind them

918
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,800
often attributed to some paranormal

919
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,359
phenomenon is likely to be due to

920
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,079
abnormal activation of the brain process

921
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,000
normally involved in giving us the

922
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,839
feeling of being within the boundaries

923
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,000
of our body

924
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,599
and researchers team found that

925
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,599
electrical stimulation of a patient's

926
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,280
angular gyrus

927
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,520
elicited the weird sensation that

928
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,240
another person was lying beneath her on

929
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,919
the bed

930
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,599
the figure felt like a shadow that did

931
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,159
not speak or move

932
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,760
these spooky feelings of foreign

933
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,919
presence nearby is probably an

934
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,760
exaggeration of normal functions of

935
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,079
great survival value as being aware of

936
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,079
dangers what was a field of purely

937
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,079
mystical experiences is becoming the

938
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:57,680
subject of fascinating scientific

939
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,960
exploration of human experiences

940
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,880
the cottage syndrome

941
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,359
represents the ultimate extreme feeling

942
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,880
of disembodiment

943
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,560
that of being dead

944
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:10,800
when probably all the senses become

945
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,480
disconnected from the emotional centers

946
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,400
more localized disconnection

947
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,440
between the fusiform face area

948
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,839
a region of the cortex involved in phase

949
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,880
perception and the amygdala diamond

950
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,480
shaped which is involved in the

951
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,640
emotional responses to familiar faces

952
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,440
results in a syndrome called cap grass

953
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,280
patients feel that even family members

954
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,839
may be alien imposters as they do not

955
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,320
recognize them emotionally

956
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,480
this sense of bodily experience can be

957
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,440
extended to habitual tool or prosthesis

958
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,079
use that effectively extends the body's

959
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,079
area of influence

960
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,680
it is likely that this illusion of

961
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,760
extended body space has been

962
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:54,079
instrumental for tool making in human

963
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,200
cultures

964
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:56,960
this has profound implications for

965
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,839
designing complex machinery to extend

966
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,160
manual skills taking into account the

967
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:04,720
remarkable ability of the brain to build

968
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:08,430
a personal space with an extended self

969
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,470
now that's the end of part one of this

970
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,640
article of out of body out of mind by

971
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,359
marcelo costa which appeared in the

972
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,400
march 2010 issue of the skeptic volume

973
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,480
30 number one

974
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:27,280
and next week in the skeptic exam i'll

975
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:42,950
[Music]

976
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,750
drinking hey drinks hey

977
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,520
so nice to be back at skeptics in the

978
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,599
pub yes richard it's great that covert

979
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,760
19 is a thing of the past and we can

980
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,760
gather together and not wear masks

981
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,119
although i will occasionally you know

982
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,119
like you know in special situations you

983
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,880
know what i mean

984
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,880
this this beer tastes better than i

985
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,920
remember

986
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,119
and

987
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
this beer glass is much bigger than i

988
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,960
remember

989
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,640
oh thanks for this i'll get the next

990
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,119
round ah no need all the beer is free

991
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,280
tonight free

992
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,040
wow did you hear that all the

993
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,640
anti-vaxxers and flat earthers have

994
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,960
changed their minds what

995
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,520
really yeah yeah yeah they're now busy

996
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,119
writing apology letters to the whole

997
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,960
world they're really busy they're gonna

998
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,240
have to sharpen their pencil if you know

999
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,359
what i mean ah look it's lara coming

1000
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,800
over here with a a plate full of food hi

1001
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,800
youtube did you know that the food at

1002
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,200
the bar is free tonight anything you

1003
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,000
want really you have to try the lobster

1004
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,280
chips lobster and chips oh wow this is

1005
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,680
like a dream and this pub now has

1006
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,920
recliner chairs a free foot massage for

1007
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,680
everyone and vouchers for uber rides

1008
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:51,440
home

1009
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,320
wow

1010
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,320
hang on this seems too good to be true

1011
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,760
who's the guest speaker it's not bloody

1012
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,800
brian dunning is it let me see

1013
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,839
uh

1014
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,800
this is odd it says here it's the

1015
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:05,440
skeptical fairy godmother angel from the

1016
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:09,280
internet the skeptical godmother fairy

1017
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:10,000
in

1018
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,349
hello everyone who are you but you're

1019
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,680
only 10 centimeters tall that's about

1020
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,160
four inches for those of you using the

1021
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,880
darth vader imperial system and floating

1022
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:33,440
in the air that can't be right as lara

1023
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,119
said i'm the skeptical fairy godmother

1024
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,680
angel from the internet ask a silly

1025
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,800
question

1026
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,440
and you're tonight's guest speaker well

1027
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,960
not really

1028
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:47,920
i have come to tell you that yes

1029
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,310
i thought this was too good to be true i

1030
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,119
know we can't meet in pubs at the moment

1031
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,040
but that shouldn't stop you from

1032
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,160
enjoying skeptical talks online

1033
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,200
the fixed skeptics have skeptics cafe

1034
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,640
each month

1035
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,520
sydney has skeptics in the pub

1036
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:12,000
there are online events from the gold

1037
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,320
coast and yes yes this all sounds eerily

1038
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,760
familiar

1039
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,720
have we met before somewhere maybe we

1040
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,920
have

1041
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,960
maybe

1042
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,280
it was as we watched a live and

1043
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,680
interactive skeptical talk

1044
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,839
all you need do is search for them

1045
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,960
online

1046
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,280
no matter where you are in the world

1047
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,880
she's right i've been watching skeptical

1048
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,359
talks from the uk the us and even one

1049
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,119
from my own living room although that

1050
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,640
one wasn't very interesting i fell

1051
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,560
asleep and i was the speaker hang on

1052
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,599
hang on

1053
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,119
weren't you once

1054
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,000
the tooth fairy

1055
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,800
i'll never live that down

1056
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,240
one last question yes

1057
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,680
just whose dream is this

1058
00:40:05,349 --> 00:39:58,880
mine

1059
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,309
sparklers she disappeared but um we're

1060
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:11,359
still here huh right

1061
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,240
so

1062
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,240
um

1063
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,560
lobster and chips anyone oh yeah he only

1064
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:18,079
pays for food and drinks in the dream

1065
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:32,820
[Music]

1066
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,710
it's time once again to turn our

1067
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,200
attention to the digital archives

1068
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,440
from around the world from around the

1069
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,160
world normally it's australian digital

1070
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,400
newspaper archives we look through

1071
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:53,359
sometimes they're from the united states

1072
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,560
today we head north not quite north to

1073
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,280
alaska but north to canada

1074
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:01,680
land of maple syrup waffles

1075
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,470
and as some of you know i spent a few

1076
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,800
years of my very early life living in

1077
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,359
canada in the little tiny tiny tiny

1078
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,319
village of tribune in saskatchewan

1079
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:19,920
hello to all the people listening in

1080
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,880
saskatchewan tribune or indeed in canada

1081
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,119
so my search criteria this week was

1082
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,760
canada and paranormal supernatural

1083
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:29,520
things like that to see what i could

1084
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,070
find

1085
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,599
[Music]

1086
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,680
and the first return or one of the first

1087
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,760
returns coming back is from the

1088
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,599
brandon's son

1089
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,480
dated saturday september 28

1090
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,400
1996.

1091
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:47,040
people really do want incredible to be

1092
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,040
true by scott magnisch toronto's son

1093
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,720
the canadian press

1094
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:55,839
toronto the truth may be out there but

1095
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,359
paranormal detective joe nichol says

1096
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,680
it's not always what people prefer to

1097
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,880
hear

1098
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,440
like fox mulder in their tv show the

1099
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,119
x-files nickel has spent decades

1100
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:10,319
investigating reports of the

1101
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,359
supernatural haunted houses alien

1102
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,560
abductions and weeping icons

1103
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,400
to name a few

1104
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,319
he has yet to find evidence of any of

1105
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,640
them and unlike his fictional

1106
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,680
counterpart he isn't optimistic i guess

1107
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,839
he could call me a frustrated would-be

1108
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,240
believer admits the senior research

1109
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,839
fellow of the committee for the

1110
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,839
scientific investigations of claims of

1111
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,119
the paranormal

1112
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,040
an international non-profit agency

1113
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,720
founded in 1976 by scientist carl sagan

1114
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,079
i've found hoaxes and i've found

1115
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,800
mistakenly diagnosed natural events but

1116
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,720
i've never found anything close to

1117
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,400
evidence of the paranormal

1118
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,640
his recent experience investigating a

1119
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,440
weeping icon in toronto is a case in

1120
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,319
point

1121
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,880
thousands lined up in front of the tiny

1122
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,200
greek orthodox church to see

1123
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,760
the virgin mary cry tears that nichols

1124
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,119
says looked more like splatters from a

1125
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,880
nearby oil lamp

1126
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,720
than a sign from god

1127
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,119
i guess that's why they haven't made a

1128
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,680
tv series called the nickel files yet he

1129
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,319
says finding scientific explanations for

1130
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,400
seemingly paranormal events

1131
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,800
isn't anywhere near as sexy as finding

1132
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,240
aliens and angels or anywhere near as

1133
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,800
profitable he says noting thousands of

1134
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:29,680
dollars that mother potato sir and

1135
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,359
saints raphael nicholas and irene church

1136
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:35,599
was reportedly collecting each day a

1137
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,960
paranormal attracts hoaxes the way honey

1138
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,920
attracts bears and i've seen more than a

1139
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,000
few hoaxes in my day

1140
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,760
like england's crop circles which

1141
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,680
nichols says started appearing in north

1142
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,720
america after tv's unsolved mysteries

1143
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,680
aired

1144
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,720
a segment on them or the roswell alien

1145
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,119
autopsy video which sold millions before

1146
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,119
it was debunked by nickel and his

1147
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,640
counterparts at cycop as little more

1148
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,680
than a special effects extravaganza some

1149
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,319
claims of the paranormal just

1150
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,920
misinterpretations of natural phenomena

1151
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,560
hearing a heartbeat in a statue can be

1152
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,119
nothing more than the echo of your own

1153
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,839
and the photo that appears to have a

1154
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,720
ghost in it is usually the result of a

1155
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,040
flawed printing process

1156
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,520
despite evidence to the country people

1157
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,839
want to believe in the supernatural

1158
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,560
ratings for paranormal tv are at an

1159
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,280
all-time high the x-files and the outer

1160
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,240
limits are being joined this fall by new

1161
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,440
series like dark skies and strange

1162
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,800
universe a gallup poll released in 1992

1163
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,359
suggested canadians were becoming less

1164
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:48,640
skeptical 18 of respondents said they

1165
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,160
believed in witches compared with 11 in

1166
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,839
1989.

1167
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,480
other findings a university of chicago

1168
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,599
survey found that 40 of american adults

1169
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,480
polled believed they have had contact

1170
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,960
with the dead nearly twice as many as 20

1171
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,000
years ago

1172
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,520
two out of three report having

1173
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,800
experienced extra sensory perception and

1174
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,760
three out of four believe in life after

1175
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,880
death

1176
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,560
california state university in los

1177
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,760
angeles said 27 of high school and

1178
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,680
college students believe

1179
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:23,680
vampires exist

1180
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,560
and a 1995 time magazine poll found 69

1181
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,520
percent of americans believe in miracles

1182
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,640
american cultural historian tj jackson

1183
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,920
lear's book

1184
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:38,240
no place of grace

1185
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,319
says the upsurge of popular occultism

1186
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:44,720
represents a spiritual longing in the

1187
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,920
masses quote theoretical formulae have

1188
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,400
faded but the impulse behind them

1189
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,560
persists in quote

1190
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,640
leah's rights

1191
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,800
suzanne scorsone

1192
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,440
spokeswoman for the toronto archdiocese

1193
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,760
of the roman catholic church says the

1194
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,720
weeping icon controversy is precisely

1195
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,640
why the vatican investigates claims of

1196
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,720
the paranormal we certainly hold the

1197
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,720
belief that miracles are possible

1198
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,599
scorsone says but we can assume that

1199
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,760
everything claiming to be miraculous is

1200
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,160
a miracle there's a natural phenomenon

1201
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,200
and outright fraud that has to be taken

1202
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,280
into account too and we have a

1203
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,680
photograph accompanying this story

1204
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,440
of joe nicol

1205
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,560
um leering over the shoulder of a priest

1206
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,760
it would seem

1207
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,000
is looking at a painting of the virgin

1208
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,079
mary shedding tears

1209
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
nickel an internationally known expert

1210
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:40,560
says he's never found evidence of the

1211
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,079
paranormal and our next excerpt comes

1212
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,319
from the brandon's son september the

1213
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,400
18th 1990

1214
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:51,520
under the heading of no evidence

1215
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,640
skeptics debunk all claims

1216
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,520
brussels reuter in the soviet city of

1217
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,160
veronica last year residents reported

1218
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,720
seeing three aliens emerge from a

1219
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,319
shining ball

1220
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,160
such stories and other reports of

1221
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:08,079
paranormal activity from around the

1222
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,040
world

1223
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,200
sometimes make news

1224
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,599
they also become targets for a group of

1225
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,520
scientists and others from europe to

1226
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,960
north america

1227
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,839
skeptics dedicated to debunking claims

1228
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,839
of paranormal activity

1229
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,920
and i will stop there quickly just to

1230
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,160
remind everybody of course

1231
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:28,000
journalists have a tendency to write

1232
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,359
things like this

1233
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:31,839
and as you well know

1234
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,880
we don't set out to debunk things we set

1235
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,960
out to investigate

1236
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,640
with the of course with the rare

1237
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,160
exceptions if we know something's a

1238
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,000
fraud to begin with in certain

1239
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,640
situations but anyway the skeptics who

1240
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,880
recently held a conference in brussels

1241
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,599
say there is not a shred of scientific

1242
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,079
evidence that the stars affect our

1243
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,400
destinies that beings from outer space

1244
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,880
have ever set foot on earth or that

1245
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,280
anyone can foresee the future

1246
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,280
we find a great ignorance of what

1247
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,240
science is says paul kurtz a philosophy

1248
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,720
professor at the state university of new

1249
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,599
york

1250
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,000
who is chairman of the committee for the

1251
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,920
scientific investigations of claims of

1252
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,680
the paranormal there's a confusion

1253
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,760
between science fiction and reality the

1254
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,599
committee whose members include

1255
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,839
prominent astronomer carl sagan

1256
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,000
sponsored the so-called european

1257
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:23,599
skeptics conference

1258
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,040
one participant was james the amazing

1259
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,839
randy an american magician and author

1260
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,319
who for 24 years has offered ten

1261
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,319
thousand dollars to anyone who can prove

1262
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,960
supernatural ability of any kind

1263
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,880
randy says more than 600 people have

1264
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,880
tried to win the award

1265
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,319
and all have failed

1266
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:45,760
he says his newest book which will show

1267
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,599
the 16th century french astrologer

1268
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,559
nostradamus may have been a provocative

1269
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,520
social critic but was an entirely

1270
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,599
unsuccessful prophet

1271
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,599
randy demonstrated his own powers by

1272
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,440
making the hands of a watch move forward

1273
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,640
mysteriously by half an hour but it's

1274
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:06,559
only a trick he said

1275
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,240
though it looks like psychic ability

1276
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,000
why the fascination with the

1277
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,160
supernatural in an age of scientific

1278
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,720
advance people are looking for magic

1279
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,440
romance easy solutions randy says the

1280
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,839
new openness in the soviet union in

1281
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,920
eastern europe has brought increased

1282
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,640
reports of paranormal activity there

1283
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,680
several conference participants said

1284
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,079
when kurtz visited the soviet union last

1285
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,160
year he discovered that a popular

1286
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,200
television celebrity was a quote

1287
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,680
psychic healer main quote

1288
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,079
the man's followers believed that he

1289
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,839
imparted healing powers to tubes of cold

1290
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,800
cream

1291
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,200
and jugs of water placed in front of

1292
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,000
television sets showing his program with

1293
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,720
less control over media as state

1294
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:57,920
domination is relaxed these ideas often

1295
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,800
fly and there is insufficient critical

1296
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,720
dissent kurt said

1297
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,640
in fact the committee for the scientific

1298
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,839
investigation of claims of the

1299
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,119
paranormal believes the media eager to

1300
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,200
profit from the interest in the

1301
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,520
supernatural are responsible for much of

1302
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,920
the public's confusion the group urges

1303
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,880
newspapers to run disclaimers with their

1304
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,680
astrology columns wim betts

1305
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,920
a professor of medicine at the free

1306
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,800
university of brussels is more worried

1307
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,960
about medical quackery in 20 years of

1308
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,359
practice i've heard dramatic stories of

1309
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,599
people dying of cancer selling their

1310
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,160
houses and giving their money to quacks

1311
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,200
he said the relatives are so ashamed

1312
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,280
they don't want to talk about it and

1313
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:43,280
apologies for my appalling

1314
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:51,109
and finally we turn to the pages of the

1315
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,880
lethbridge sun times dated the 20th of

1316
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,040
february 2008

1317
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:01,040
in a column called strange but true

1318
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:05,280
by bill sones and rich stone's phd

1319
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,200
for the sun times which looks like a

1320
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,119
write in a question and they will

1321
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,200
endeavor to answer it

1322
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,960
column

1323
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,520
with the heading did stupidity kill the

1324
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,880
dodo bird

1325
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,880
which they attempt to answer but the

1326
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,720
part that we're interested in is a bit

1327
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,559
further on

1328
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:26,319
question

1329
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,599
got any bright ideas on how to make a

1330
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:33,040
fast million

1331
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,160
here's one

1332
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,480
just prove you've got esp

1333
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,920
what's the deal

1334
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,280
answer

1335
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,480
contact

1336
00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:42,720
the james randy educational foundation

1337
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,319
jref jref at

1338
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,920
www.randy.org and arrange to do a demo

1339
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,960
for them

1340
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,000
quote of any paranormal supernatural or

1341
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,520
occult power or event in quote of any

1342
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,400
kind

1343
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:57,920
under quote

1344
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,680
proper observing conditions in quote

1345
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,520
the guy's for real a professional

1346
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:05,440
magician and well-known author and

1347
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,680
skeptic he doubts you can fill the bill

1348
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,400
but if you can he's got one million

1349
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,079
dollars u.s to make it worth your while

1350
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,559
so far many have tried

1351
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,520
none

1352
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,760
has collected noting that several

1353
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,599
claimants have quote

1354
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,680
suffered great personal embarrassment

1355
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,800
and quote

1356
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,440
randy cautions i strongly advise you to

1357
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,000
conduct proper double-blind tests of any

1358
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,160
ability you believe you can demonstrate

1359
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,640
before undergoing a testing for this

1360
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,760
prize

1361
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,520
oh

1362
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,680
now i miss my uh

1363
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,400
now i miss my old friend james randy

1364
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,000
but there you go and of course james

1365
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,880
randy originally from canada

1366
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,319
a selection

1367
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,880
a tiny selection of some of the mentions

1368
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480
of the paranormal and the supernatural

1369
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,319
and so on from

1370
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,520
canadian newspapers over the decades

1371
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:01,599
and that one dated

1372
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:05,040
when was that dated the one about the uh

1373
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,200
the european skeptics that was 1990

1374
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,000
hmm i will send that clipping off

1375
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:14,960
to my friends at the esp podcast the

1376
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,800
european skeptics podcast andrash and

1377
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:20,400
pontas

1378
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,470
so there you go

1379
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,559
delightful look around some of the

1380
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,640
newspapers from

1381
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,200
that part of the world

1382
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,319
and i'm sure if i dig a bit deeper i can

1383
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:38,960
find a lot more from the mysterious land

1384
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,589
and you too can look up all sorts of

1385
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,319
strange history when you spend some time

1386
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,480
in any digital archive of newspapers

1387
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:54,640
from around the world and

1388
00:54:00,910 --> 00:53:57,680
you know what you'll never know what you

1389
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:00,920
might find

1390
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,030
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1391
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zone coming up on next week's show part

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two

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of the book of tim with out of body

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more body dysphoria and interesting

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things to do with the body

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and the trove segment next week we'll

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look at naturopaths

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naturopaths

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who are

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i imagine how in your country as much as

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they're in australia it's not hard to

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find a naturopath

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sometimes

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sadly enough they are

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uh attached to pharmacies you go into

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your local pharmacy and sometimes you'll

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find in the corner a naturopath clinic

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complete with naturopath

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who do things i kid you not because i

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went along one day and had it done

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iridology

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as we know from long experienced

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pharmacies

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can uh end up selling all sorts of

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quackery like homeopathy and

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what those copper bracelets for your

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wrists or anti-snoring rings and all

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sorts of things

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thank you to those people as we

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mentioned earlier on in the show where

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maynard was prompting me to say this

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maybe five dollars a month

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but until then for this week this is

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richard saunders signing off from the

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early morning

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00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,349
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00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,829
hello to those people who stay after the

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00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,839
music for the easter egg the dice game

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00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,160
this is where i roll a die a dice

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some dice die die i get them all mixed

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00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:19,599
up

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and you use your psychic magic intuition

1466
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,680
uh skeptical godmother fairy angel from

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the internet powers to predict what

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number's going to come up this week it's

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a d6 a six-sided die i'm going to use an

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00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,119
app just because i've never done that

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00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,359
before it's just an iphone app where you

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press a button and it rolls a die here

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we go

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so

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have a guess have a guess have a

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mystical insight the first number coming

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it's very quiet number one

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see if i can increase the volume maybe

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you'll hear the next one number one is

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the first number

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what's the next number

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there we are bit of noise number five

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one

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five and the last number coming up

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predict away

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at five susan gerbic you see five does

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five

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ah it's ridiculous no susan it's not

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cheating i'm not making it up

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today's winning numbers are one five and

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five and the supplementary just in case

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you lucked out and you didn't get

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anything at all here it comes one more

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crunch crunch crunch

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two